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[protected post] Meet Phillip Kerry Mainor

  • May. 4th, 2005 at 9:29 AM

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Last Name : MAINOR
First Name : PHILLIP
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Race : W
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Date of Birth : 08/02/1961
Book Date : 05/03/2005


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This jackass has been functioning as a Wiccan High Priest in the New Orleans community for about 2 years now. He's a fake. I'll try to sum up 2 years briefly. He came, he created a circle, he taught classes, he harmed. He would never tell anyone his last name. For quite some time he would only give his Craft name- Balarmond. Eventually he gave a first name- Phillip. When pressed for his last name, he finally gave one, Morgan. He alluded that he was a member of the legendary Morgan family...as in JP Morgan. Heh....yeah, right. Nor would he ever give anyone his craft lineage. (It's not required to give your Craft lineage, however, you should be willing to give this to your students. And certainly other High Priest/esses should they ask...especially if you claim to be their equal and they are giving you theirs.)His previous Craft names were Castiel and Aluriel. No doubt, when he gets out, he'll re-invent himself under yet another magical name.
For my non-Wiccan friends, when I say lineage, I'm not referring to blood lineage, but rather his Wiccan lineage. When we ask about lineage, we are asking who initiated you and trained you in the ways of the Craft. Many pagan paths are very secret. (Okay, quick explanation of Wicca. Saying you are Wicca is similar to you saying you're Christian. We also have different paths- ie, Eclectic, Gardnerian, Alexandrian etc. - this is like saying you are Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran etc.- ya'll get the idea.) Their rituals, books of shadows (this is our "bible" so to speak. It is differnt, but just as important to us as your Christain bible is to you.) and such are all secret that you can only know about if you are trained and initiated in their tradition. One thing that is NEVER secret is lineage-at least not to other priests and priestesses. Even the most secret of Covens will always tell you their lineage. If they don't, they obviously have something to hide. If they are "self initiated" they will usually tell you that too- this is somewhat common among solitary practitioners. ( nolawitch feel free to jump in if I miss-state or misrepresent anything...this is fast typing at work!)
So, based on his reluctance to give any information, we started doing some detective work. We found out that he had a criminal record in Georgia for petty theft basically...I think they phrase it as "theft by taking". According to the lovely lady we spoke with in Georgia, that means, *insert very southern accent here* "he steals stuff". Now I'm all for giving people a second chance in life. We all fuck up now and then, some more than others. You pay your debts and move on. Well, not Phillip. He got out on probation, promptly jumped said probation and five years later, found himself in NOLA.
Yesterday morning, my High Priestess got a phone call telling her that he is still in fact wanted in the state of GA for theft and jumping probation. There was just one small problem here- we didn't know exactly where he lived. So, a friend and I set out yesterday to try to find this out. One wrong address and one right address later, he was caught. She and I had the privilege of seeing him driven away in the police cruiser. Very satisfying to know that this man will no longer bring harm to our community. I hope he goes away from a long time.
So please, if ya'll know any Pagan's, please pass this story on to them. It's important for Pagan communities around the country to be aware of this man. And also to know to look out for this type of person in their own community. If something doesn't seem right about someone in your community, chances are, something isn't right. Investigate, ask questions, search on the net, anything to get information. We police ourselves as evident by our work to get this jackass off the streets. He did not work (claimed he was retired), had no phone or anything else in his own name. Lived with whomever would take him in and lived off the money he collected from teaching students Wicca. His "teaching" was having students purchase a copy of Spiral Dance by Starhawk and basically reading it with them. Gee...most of us can do that on our own for free! He also stole anything he collected under the guise of charity...food for food banks, clothing for clothing drives, money etc.

I'm making this post public so anyone can read. If you know of a pagan community, feel free to link them here or copy and past this to them. Thanks.

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nolawitch wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 03:37 am (local)
That sums it up quite nicely.
Nothing to add but props for a well-written report. Speaking of report, this incident needs to be reported over at Witchvox. I'm linking this to a few other LJ communities as well. Forewarned is forearmed.
solitary4now wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 11:07 am (local)
Re: That sums it up quite nicely.
I believe all his listings at Witchvox have been removed as of this morning. Yes I am one of Balarmonds "banned" cronnies...2 years of being in his group..damn what was I thinking? We did have some pretty awesome rituals though...Phyllis
whitephoenix wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 04:30 am (local)
I would say "unbelievable"...
...except..no, I believe it. :P I think it must have reached the Vox by now, because NOWC and Phillip's name have been removed from the sponsors list and from all local events.
goddessmusings wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 04:37 am (local)
Re: I would say "unbelievable"...
Yes, V spoke to Ren & Fritz last night about the situation once he was in custody and they removed everything from the Vox.
sunfell wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 05:16 am (local)
Very interesting
Very interesting, and a prime example in that if someone seems 'hinky', they probably are. I always state my own lineage if asked (and asked in a polite manner). I was trained in the Old Trad, there weren't any "Llewiccans" around in the early 80s.

Religions are infested with charlatans and con-artists. Be it some big Christian church with a pastor who leeches off his congregation and brags about owning a hat worth $3K, or the wannabe HP who has read enough books to know the lingo to impress the newbies, they're here, and they need to be policed. Kudos for having the courage to post this. I wish others would 'out' their con-artists and predators, too.
aestrearaven wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 06:26 am (local)
good article :)
good article ... I am linking it to my comments on the subject over at both my LJ and my blog :)

Blessings
Tracy
alphapythia wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 06:41 am (local)
Congratualtions on getting them! He tore up Chattanooga horribly about 5 years ago. So glad to see him go down!
crash0 wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 06:56 am (local)
hahaha
Yeah, Alpha and i got to deal with this jackass a couple years ago here in TN... back when he went by Alurial... he was so pretencious about it that we started calling Oreo just to piss him off. After he caused one of the leading wiccan bookstores in town to close up shop and move away, we had had enough of him and let him know about it. Havn't seen him since. It's good to know that he finally got what was due to him. I hope he didn't do too much damage to you all down there.

Anyway, thanks for the report :) Let us know if anything else interesting comes of this, or if he shows his face in your area again.

Later,
Crash
nolawitch wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 07:06 am (local)
Re: hahaha
One local high priest started calling him "Ballerina" instead of Balarmond. I guess he inspires that kind of mocking. I honestly thought when I first heard his "name" that people were saying Voldemort.
crash0 wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 08:56 am (local)
Re: hahaha
I can belive it ;) Although... this guy just didn't have the same kind of 'Evil Credit' that Voldemort has, ya know? this guy is like the underappreciated, often-abused side kick of a good evil overlord... kinda like Dobbie!

Crash
whitephoenix wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 09:16 am (local)
!
My bf (who isn't pagan) and I started making jokes ad nauseam when the first ads for the NOWC came out, with "Lord Balarmond" pasted prominently on them. "Balarmond" became a household synonym for anything overly pretentious, or else sickening, because the "balar" part sounded suspiciously like someone making about-to-throw-up noises. Glad we weren't the only ones mocking. :P

(Not that I can really talk about atrocious Craft names, with "Reedsong" to my credit, but at least mine is *deliberately* wretched.)
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 02:22 am (local)
Re: !
>>>because the "balar" part sounded suspiciously like someone making about-to-throw-up noises. Glad we weren't the only ones mocking. :P<<<>
nmdrkangl wrote:
May. 26th, 2005 11:02 am (local)
Re: hahaha
One local high priest started calling him "Ballerina" instead of Balarmond.

Here in Northern VA, he went by Aluriel... we started to refer to him as Ass-luriel after a while. you're right, he does tend to inspire that kind of mocking.

-NmDrkAngl
seastormwitch wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 07:40 am (local)
Re: hahaha
Holy shit. I had it out with this guy too. Lord Oreo indeed. I remember calling him that too.

I'm in Nashville and recall his funky ass site and several emails back and forth with him where he was obviously full of it.

What part of TN are you in?
crash0 wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 08:54 am (local)
Re: hahaha
Chattanooga. Oreo was in the same area, I think he was taking classes at one of the local colleges at the time, but I can't be sure... I've slept since then ;)

Crash
dramoth wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 08:59 am (local)
hm. Saw your post on the pagan community. What harm did he actually do in NOLA other than making unsubstantiated claims? Did things turn up missing from the circle members? Did he teach wrong information? Did he abuse someone?
goddessmusings wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 09:19 am (local)
He stole food and clothing that he claimed were being collected for food pantries and clothes for the homeless. He stole the money that was collected at Pagan Pride Day that was supposed to be donated to the PPD group. He broke trust by getting on people computer's and going through their personal files and using said information against them. I'll let aestrearaven give her own story of what all else he did to her and her husband.
He hurt people emotionally, broke trusts, stole...I could go on and on about his deeds.
seastormwitch wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 09:19 am (local)
In TN he told quite a few lies, caused major problems in the community and was charging hundreds of dollars for 'initiations' into some 'Grand (madeup) tradition to unsuspecting folks looking for training.

Once a crook, always a crook. Don't run your mouth about starting an 'Elders Counsil' of the 'highest order of ethics' when you wouldn't know an ethic if it bit you in the ass.
solitary4now wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 11:13 am (local)
when I say it was CULTISH Imnot joking. WE were admonished when we shopped at one particular metaphysical store owned by a couple in another coven...and were NOT allowed to associated/recieve emails from/phone/or talk about certian pagans he had dealings with. He booted me after I got suspicious of some of his actions and met with members of the group to give them a heads up...I was completely ignored..my last words to them were "Karma is right around the corner." the next evening he was arrested...hehe..they still dont want to talk to me..maybe its just cause they are embarassed..
chameli74 wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 09:42 am (local)
Kris -- Thanks much. My friend Amy and her DH are both Wiccan. They are part of a small but active and growing community in this area. I'll be sure to forward this info along to them!

-e-
jenett wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 09:59 am (local)
As a note, not everyone gives out lineage on demand. Some people have gotten burned by people taking that information and using it to create false lineages or claim relationships which aren't there (which is, in some ways, even more of a problem than not giving it in the first place.) It may also be an issue of outing people further up the line who may not choose that.

Some people therefore only give it out when it's directly relevant: someone is considering training with them, and is being seriously considered as a student, for example.

However, legit folks that I've met are all aware that it's an issue, and will usually either provide some way to check the relevant claims (which may not be a full lineage description) or simply won't bring up that part of their training (since it's not always relevant.) And they're all likely to be much more open with potential students (once they've done a little talking/confirmed there's compatibility there) than just at random.
devil_panda wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 10:10 am (local)
Found this post friend of a friend of a friend.

Since when does petty theft and probation violation disqualify someone from participating in their religious community? It sounds to me like this 'high priestess' disagreed with some of this guys ideas, or disliked him personally, and rather than take it up with him honorably or at least within the context of the community she narced him out.

Avoid and ostracize him? Sure... he sounds like an asshole. But to have the gall to perform a background check on him and have him arrested? That's so outrageous and pathetic that I couldn't help but post this rebuttal. We're not talking about serious crimes here.

Wow. Talk about a witch-hunt...

goddessmusings wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 02:43 pm (local)
Witch hunt???
Have you bothered to read ANY of the fucking posts from people in TN? THis is NOT a witch hunt...this man has caused serious harm to MANY people in MANY communities.
The High Priestess you accuse of not liking his ideas...I had to laugh out loud at that. She was one of the first people to accept him and like him. He duped ALL of us, just as he did to many people in other communities.
Did you even read what I fucking posted? Apparently not.
drgndancer wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 01:04 am (local)
You know... I pretty much knew this reply was coming from the moment I initially read this post, yet I find that it still pisses me off. This guy came in the New Orleans area, victimized seekers (and others), ran cons in the name of the Gods, and pretended to status he never held. He betrayed elders (not just one or two, pretty much all of them) that sought only to welcome and/or help him, and had grand plans for a Hogwarts style "school of witchcraft" that would pretend to offer training but would instead soak much more impressive amounts of money out of many more people. He was a liar, a cheat, and a thief, and apparently has been so for some time. Previous attempts to "ostracize" him failed because his targets weren't the established, experienced pagans with ties to the community, but seeker and new comer to the city who did not know who he (or anyone else) was. But of course, as soon as anyone acted, someone had to scream "witch war" and wonder why we all can't get along.

Remember too that petty theft only seems like a minor crime when you can afford to lose "petty" amounts of money. Most of the people he fleeces can ill afford the loss of what he takes. Do I begrudge the money I gave to "Pagan Pride Day"? No, not really. Honestly I don't even remember how much it was; but it still annoys me that it went to him instead of the intended cause. Had it been 6 or 7 years ago when I really needed every 10 or 20 dollars, I'd have been seriously upset. Bad people really do exist within the Pagan community, and if we don't fight them, they will quite happilly ruin it for everyone else.
solitary4now wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 11:19 am (local)
actually that was just one of his many faux pas..his rap sheet was three feet long...and some of it was violent. He at the time conned his way into the apartment of a 21 year old newbie..she worked and supported him for quite a few months...and with a violent background including restraining orders we were all quite concerned she would get injured. Trust me this guy WAS a con...and the probation violation was just the ticket to keeping him from hurting anyone else...It WAS NOT DONE LIGHTLY>>
aestrearaven wrote:
May. 4th, 2005 12:30 pm (local)
rebuttal to the rebuttal
I was at one time in his 'circle' ... he forcibly moved in with me and my husband by using guilt tactics and immediately stopped providing for himself, ran my bills up over 2000 dollars in one month over what they normally were and at a time when both my husband and myself were out of work, spent 24 hours a day on my computer taking up valuable time I should have been looking for work and threw tizzy fits when I would remove him from it as he was more interested in the various wars he was creating via the anonymity of the net then spiritual anything. I am neither the first nor the last in the community he used like that and worse. Now top that with the fact that he STOLE from the entire community and beyond by holding public rituals where in he took donations 'for the pagan pantry' which went directly to his own pocket and nowhere else. The food collected went in his stomach, the dollars collected went to his own bills and/or enjoyment etc. He lied about who he was, what his knowledge was and what 'credentials' he had to everyone including PAYING students and 'inner circle members'. Once the vast majority of his students signed on with his 'prepay' option he would school them in Spiral Dance 101 for a few weeks then pick a fight with them and then banish them for standing up for themselves AND KEEP THEIR money ($17/wk for 14 weeks) that was prepaid for the full 14 weeks (spiral dance 101 meaning that for his Beginning Wicca classes they would be told to get the book and then he would have them read a chapter - his lessons would be basically point blank line for line out of the same chapter - read the first line ... he would make it a question and expect you to re-write the line out of the book - maybe that is lessons to some but to me it is fraud and a conman ripping off innocent newcomers to the faith) ... out of all the students he had when I knew him he kept less then 10% without waging wars with them and usually those were the ones still handing him some sort of money. Now couple that with the things like fraud (he tried to teach me how to get credit cards in high dollar amounts in non-existent names to get a loan to get a building for a school right before we parted ways, to which I said NO WAY and RAN!) not upholding Priestly confidences invoked (I am embarrassed for the tons of students and others that came to him specifying Priestly confidences whom he told me all about within minutes of their confessions to him - how unethical!!!) and going through personal effects and computer files for fodder and ill will while living with me (and others later as well) for free ... now mind you ... as someone seriously burned by this guy I was angry! I think well justified in that anger ... however I dealt with my anger ... I looked at it as a life's lesson for myself. However when a respected elder in the community began getting communications from newcomers to the path from other states stating that they were leaving their homes and jobs to move to New Orleans for the non-existent school he was touting ... I became angry for those who would not be able to see what he was really doing before it was too late. The person who created this blog as well as all those in this community that helped look into him acted out of CARE for those new comers to this community and not out of any sort of obscure vengeance. The background check was simply to find out who he really was since we knew he gave us a fake name and refused to give us any previous references or lineage ... finding out he was HIDING from the law was an accident. However accidental we really wouldn't be holding true to our beliefs if we willingly aided and abetted a known fugitive no matter how petty you might view those crimes. As someone who had their house broken into and everything I cared about ruined or stolen, something tells me those who he stole from that landed him with that sentence in the first place will be relieved that justice is finally being served. And we are relieved that the ruins that laid in waste upon his exit from our communities and theirs … and there are many, will no longer be hurt by his deceit and fraud.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 02:30 am (local)
Re: rebuttal to the rebuttal
I can vouch for every bit of this. I was part of that group and watched all of this happen.
this was a very bad guy folks.
take her word for it.
BB
C
parijati wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 04:42 am (local)
I made an ass of myself on the WLA list last fall by posting what was meant to be a private email to the list owner with concerns about Balarmond publicly to the list. After reading everything that has happened with him in the past week, I have to say my personal embarrassment was well worth it if it saved even one person from his evil clutches. Hooray for intuition!

Most of us on WLA referred to him privately as "Balamoron".
fizpopnfriction wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 06:50 am (local)
Thank you for the warning. There is no reason whatso ever to be like that. I am personally insulted as a wiccan. I will pass it on to whomever I can. Thanks again!
kallisty wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 12:59 pm (local)
Interesting...
This character would fit in with a few types we've had in this area of NC, but thankfully he hasn't shown up yet. I think it might have to do with the fact that our area is in a bit of a, shall we say, economic mess (all the textile and cable places are quaking in their boots right now). But when this area recovers, I'll be on the lookout.

On one hand, this is the type of guy one would tar and feather. On the other hand, "discordian Saint" seems to be screaming from his antics.

Peace and tigerclaws,
Larry - discordian by tradition, gravitating toward coven-ed wiccan slowly but surely
harvestmoon90 wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 02:06 pm (local)
I'm scraping my chin off the floor
And I knew most of the stuff that charlatan was doing. Aestrea thank you for all that you attested to.

As to the PandaDevil or DevilPanda....whatever...WITCHHUNT??? Let me tell you something idiot-stick..."Harming none" oftentimes means stopping HARM. Velvet and I spent 5 1/2 hours today with the wonderful young woman who has been supporting this lying, plagiarizing, cheating, thieving, pea-cocking, grandstanding user and abuser. She had no idea that she was aiding and abetting a wanted felon. She had no idea that he was the poser that he is. She loved him as a friend, and as a teacher. Had you seen the heartbreak on her face or heard the heartbreak in her voice, you would be groveling on the ground like the slug you apparently are. We police our own and report child molesters, thieves, etc. If you don't like it, too fucking bad. We are not fluffy bunnies here, some of us are Witches and have been for a long time. We will not tolerate anyone harming our community.
harvestmoon90 wrote:
May. 5th, 2005 02:12 pm (local)
Re: I'm scraping my chin off the floor
Oh I forgot, I would rip Balarmond's balls off with my bare fucking hands. SHAME ON HIM.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 6th, 2005 03:55 am (local)
Re: I'm scraping my chin off the floor
Damn Harvest...
you sure are ticked girl...
you did your part..so he is gone. i suspect he will be pulling some serious time now.
I think jumping parole can cost you a good 5 years (if i am not mistaken). so you folks in NC probably are safe.
then he will probably face other charges.
more time.
It is sad to see those who stood by him hurt and angry. i know these folks too. They are good folks. Folks who believed in the goodness and sincerity of other fellow human beings.
Even I was (for a time) a believer, and I am not what you would call naïve/inexperienced in the world. I am almost 50 years old. Seen a lot...done a lot.
what can I say.
BB
C
ravenspirit70 wrote:
May. 6th, 2005 12:42 pm (local)
Phillip Kerry Mainor
Interesting..hummm and he threw a hissy fit when I asked him questions about his PPD event. I was even told that his life and dealings were none of my business....

Who is laughing now. I am sorry for the people he hurt. But this SOB will get what he deserves. Now I can truly call him a WARLOCK, for this bastard has earned the title
harvestmoon90 wrote:
May. 7th, 2005 04:53 am (local)
Well
It was posted at Witchvox, but under the Louisiana listings:

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_no.html?a=usla&id=12174
aestrearaven wrote:
May. 7th, 2005 06:52 am (local)
Re: Well
This listing is, I believe, posted by Lana (Druantia). It is my blog, however. I do wish she would have used one of the other links we were passing out but I guess it matters more that people have an opportunity to find the information then which starting point they take. The article's have been receiving hits from all over the world in plethora so the word is indeed getting out there. In the porcess if this being circulated I had caught wind of an incident with SerpentStone but I haven't read or been able to look into what is going on over there.
harvestmoon90 wrote:
May. 7th, 2005 07:38 am (local)
Re: Well/Serpentstone
The SerpentStone Pagans reported him to the police, he confessed and is now in custody. Seems many are being exposed. Good work happening nationwide.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 8th, 2005 08:58 am (local)
Flim Flam
I remember something about how The Flim Flam Man conceived himself a teacher, and this fellow seems to've taught part of a lesson for which the market has great demand. How he's going to teach the other part is the Unended Story.

The surprise this lesson entails would tend to damage confidence in the student's confidence in choosing teachers, and that would be something out of joint. The Truth is never so harsh, but finding it is often worse.

I'll bet the Self-Ennobled-Teacher had little people to do all the Besom Handling. Funny, I just saw Chamber of Secrets last night...

Arawn
00goddess wrote:
May. 9th, 2005 10:18 am (local)
One thing that is NEVER secret is lineage. Even the most secret of Covens will always tell you their lineage.

I don't think this is an accurate description of the situation. Traditional Wiccans I have met will not share their lineage with anyone outside of their tradition. If a Gardnerian asks an Alexandrian for his lineage, he's out of luck, because it's none of his business.
aestrearaven wrote:
May. 9th, 2005 12:44 pm (local)
clarification
he refused to tell EVERYONE his lineage ... even his students and circle mates. And created an untraceable new magical name upon arrival in this city and refused to tell about his past craft names.
00goddess wrote:
May. 9th, 2005 12:45 pm (local)
Re: clarification
Oh, I'm not debating that this guy sounds like a crook. He does, and I think it's good that he has been brought down. I just think that lineage is not very public and with good reason.
goddessmusings wrote:
May. 9th, 2005 01:27 pm (local)
Re: clarification
Yes, this has ALREADY been pointed out above. I did make a lot of generalizations in this post, but I think at this point, nitpicking it is just beating the already dead horse.
A lot of those generalizations were made for the Xian's that don't have any intentions of ever doing a damn bit of research on Wicca.
'Nuff said.
itswhatiam wrote:
May. 12th, 2005 07:03 pm (local)
Re: clarification
I know nothing about Wicca. Am I a Xian?

And totally off topic, I'm very curious about the religion. What's a reliable source of information on it, one that I will know is true and not just someone's slant on it?
goddessmusings wrote:
May. 13th, 2005 02:00 am (local)
Re: clarification
Here is one of my favorite sites for information on other religions.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

They are good at explaining and do not have a biased slant towards any one religion.
Xian is a short way of spelling Christian...kinda like X-mas & Christmas. Not being Wiccan doesn't neccessarily make you a Xian...you might be Buhdist or Jewish or Islamic.... ;-)
Hope that helps.
itswhatiam wrote:
May. 13th, 2005 06:25 am (local)
Re: clarification
=) Thanks
aestrearaven wrote:
May. 9th, 2005 01:47 pm (local)
Re: clarification
I understood that :) ... I just wasn't sure it was clear that the point of that being brought up by Goggessmusings regarding this particular fellow was because it was deeper then just not telling a a curious community member. :)
aestrearaven wrote:
May. 9th, 2005 02:09 pm (local)
Re: clarification
oops sorry bout that darn typo .. I meant Goddessmusings 8p!
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 13th, 2005 03:33 am (local)
Re: clarification
So is it permissible to ask one about lineage or not? Do they have a right to not tell you? I would think if one has one that is legit it shouldn't be such a hard pressed question or answer.
For example,how about you Aestrea...you go by the title of High Priestess.
What's your lineage? Where and who initiated you? I only ask you because you have it on your profile.
goddessmusings wrote:
May. 13th, 2005 06:37 am (local)
Re: clarification
It is and it isn't permissible. It's probably not a question you want to ask of any random Wiccan/Pagan you meet- that can be considered rude.

It is however acceptable to ask of a prospective teacher or High Priest/Priestess that you may be learning from or practicing with.
My HPS has all of her degrees hanging on a wall in her house- she's very upfront about her training. IMO, anyone taking on students should be that open and willing to provide references.

Likewise, anyone claiming to be a High Priest should be willing to answer lineage questions asked by a High Priest/ess when they are new to a community.
harvestmoon90 wrote:
May. 14th, 2005 04:52 am (local)
Re: clarification
Maybe it would be more appropriate if "anonymous" emailed Aestrea with her question.
harvestmoon90 wrote:
May. 9th, 2005 01:29 pm (local)
I don't mean to debate the lineage issue
However, it's been my experience that when someone is offering to teach students, they give their lineage with references and phone numbers which can be checked (and that stands for more than a few traditions). I wouldn't dream of telling a prospective student to take my word for it without offering references. My other experience has been that folks usually keep their lineage either on their walls as in Certificates of Initiations or in a book which can be looked at by the prospective student.

This particular conman claimed to have been trained by Scott Cunningham. How convenient that Scott is dead and this cannot be verified. However it was verified by Traci deRegula, who wrote Scott's biography, that Phillip was never a student of Scott's.

I am glad that this "pagan" farce is behind bars and hopefully he will stay there a long time before he can misuse and abuse any more students of the Craft. He was a Poser, a grandstanding Peacock and a liar, amongst other things. May he live in interesting times.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 11th, 2005 03:59 am (local)
lineage
That's kind of funny, when he was in Chattanooga he claimed to have been starhawks student. funny thing is I had contact with her through the UU church, and she didn't know the man from Adam's house cat. Guess he decided to used scott so nobody could ask him directly. How funny. Silly Rat B@st&rd
goddessmusings wrote:
May. 11th, 2005 04:12 am (local)
Re: lineage
Yep...his story changes as he goes. I spoke with someone else and he told them that he was initiated to 3* with OTO. We have confirmed that that is a lie too. He loves to name drop, that's for damn sure!
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 12th, 2005 02:58 pm (local)
Yet again...watch for name-droppers
Those who claim to be trained by widely known Elders of the Craft know that we cannot possibly verify it by phone or email. And that is the purpose of Initiation Certificates and phone numbers of references. Oh my! What a concept! A paper trail and a phone trail...now whoda thunk it!

Seems to me past performances (work history and references) are demanded in the mundane world. Why would it not be so for the magical/spiritual realm? And truly I hope no one says because it's a Craft secret.

Speaking of "secrets"...a local High Priestess in the last month, said that she didn't believe in "secrets". Well, she can go fuck herself in my estimation. If those of the Craft didn't believe in "secrets", the Craft wouldn't be alive and flourishing today. Granted, I believe in America, we have little reason to stay in the Broom Closet, but some honestly do have reason to stay there.

My point is that the Craft wouldn't be alive today if the Priest/esses of old didn't know when to keep silent.

"To know, to dare, to will,to be silent" isn't frivolous. There were important reasons behind those words which still stand true today.
nahlah wrote:
May. 13th, 2005 07:39 pm (local)
Not a Morgan cousin....
I know a number of actual descendants of JP Morgan... and while some of them are twits, this loser isn't one of them. He doesn't look anything like one -- wrong nose (too small), wrong chin (that one needs chinderwear!), and wrong eyes. What a pathetic fucking loser.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 14th, 2005 04:31 pm (local)
Get a life
Ok, let me get this straight. His biggest crime was jumping probation? If it was for stealing, it obviously wasn't grand theft (over $500), so why are you posting this as if he were Jeffery Dahmer? People skip probation all the time. If you look at your own precious "lineage" I wonder how many people did that or worse. As far as "Craft lineage" he didn't need to tell you shit. Did you follow what he taught? Did you learn anything? If you can answer either of these with yes, then I say, Have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. You, quite frankly, are a magick practitioner who turned another magick practitioner into the mundane law, that, in my opinion, makes you nothing more than a warlock. (That is someone who betrays their own kind to the mundane, for those of you without a dictionary) After reading some posts, I quite frankly am nauseated. I see that he lived with some of you, can anyone here tell me of any time that he actually stole from you? If so, where is YOUR police report, and why is he being sent to GA if the problem is there? This appears to me to be nothing more than jealousy and basic stupid southern mentality. How in the Holy fucking hell can you post this shit on Witchvox and get away with it? As a person of a bigger picture, I for one, don't understand ANY of this crap. Yes, I've looked at the criminal record, he committed his crime back in the 1980's... Yes, he skipped on his probation.... Whooo Hooooo. Yep, that's worth sending him to prison for. Was he not a friend to anyone? Did none of you learn anything from any of his teachings? If you say no, then quite frankly, you are a liar and very fucking stupid. He was in your city for 2 fucking years. It took you that long to decide to play Inspector Gadget and try to find out his real last name? Sounds to me like YOU are the ones that need to inspect yourselves. Woe the day that your aforementioned karma catches up with you. Oh, Hell, it might "give you the vapors". Just a thought. Honestly, think about this, you bitch about lineage. How many of you have relatives in the KKK? How many of you have committed crimes for the sake of survival? If you can answer yes to either of these questions ask yourself this; Am I a warlock, or did I actually try to stop this ludicrious behavior? If you can actually call yourselves Wiccan/Witch/Pagan or whatever the fuck you call it up there, why would I turn someone of the same mind and belief as myself into the mundane law? Could it be that I was following someone else's lead? Hmmmmm, kinda makes you sound like sheep doesn't it? Remind me to throw a pile of leaves on YOUR doorstep the next time I'm in NOLA. If you can't deal with problems amongst yourselves in any better fashion then quite frankly you don't deserve any titles that you might hold.

Peace and Prosperity

Brother Moloch
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 15th, 2005 02:10 am (local)
Re: Get a life
Sir,
Let me reply to your post. You have a lot of anger and some is not justified. Not in defense of Phillip and not in defense of some in the Community in New Orleans but some points that should be made clear.

First off, he's good at his "craft" - that craft being a CON. He should answer to the mundane laws, for he broke them. Just as a witch should have to answer to their Coven or Circle when the laws are broken. Same thing in my opinion. You commit a crime, you answer for it. He did not follow the rules of his probation, he needs to answer for it.

As far as 'lineage' - he's not a High Priest, he's not a Seeker, he has no ties to being a W/P/W. Now Warlock could probably fit him because he used the prayers and magick and the names of the Deities in a disrespectful way. Also, he held rituals for money, he held Sabbats for money and food -all which he kept for himself. He lied about his Covens, he lied about who taught him. He initiated newcomers to the Craft under false pretenses - even one or two who are not so new to this Path. Unfortunately the teachings and their titles are false. Now these students have to deal with that and have to correct that with those in the Community who can teach them and initiate them correctly.

Now, the other side of the coin. I agree with you that a community full of psychics, readers, witches didn't see that man coming or didn't pick up bad auras or vibes? Yes that makes me wonder as well. You would think someone would pick up on something. And if they had you would think they wouldn't keep the information to themselves for a period of time, especially if they knew that innocent people were being taken advantage of. They should have gone to the Elders and let them handle it. They could have ostracized him - spread the word that he's a fake an a phony and he's a scam. One or two in the community are good at doing that sort of thing.

Now, for the 'human' side - or 'common sense' side. One would think that if you were best friends with someone you would know his last name, know where he came from, have seen some sort of photos of his family. If he was living with someone and they had some doubts of who this person was there are things that could have been done, for instance: if he used their computer night and day that person could look back and pull the information of the sites he went to, of the emails that he sent and anything he would have downloaded. If they were really pissed about that, they could have taken a computer cord with them when they went out..oopps - broken! You know? They could have been really sneaky and went through his things when he was out. If one did find something hinky, then he should have been kicked out or had the police called and had come to the house where he was staying.

Think of the Manson Family as I describe this to you and you can't help but see the similarities. He had a following of women. There were but maybe one or two men in his 'circle'. He 'taught' women. These woman, it's true, were not allowed, NOT ALLOWED, to talk to anyone else in the community. Not allowed to discuss their teachings. It was frowned upon if they did anything fun or went anywhere with out him. They were banished if they did. If they questioned him, he would have a 'bitch fit' and scream that they should never contact him again. It's true. It is. Any rituals or sabbats that he put together, he was the big planner and the women carried out the plans. How he managed to do without the sex and drugs that Charlie supplied, I don't know. I don't know how con men work, but they are out there and they do sucker the naive and get away with it.

Peace and Prosperity right back at you!
goddessmusings wrote:
May. 17th, 2005 08:50 am (local)
Re: Get a life
1. I know what the fuck a warlock is Asshole.
2. Can I have your address so when he gets out of jail I can send him to live with you?
3. Have you ever read the Rede? Are you even Wiccan? If so, go BACK and REREAD the Rede.
4. Why the FUCK should I get blasted for putting a criminal back where he belongs? Should we just let all petty crimes go? And who decides what is deemed "petty"? $500.00 bucks may not be a lot to you, but to someone who needs every cent they have to make ends meet, it's the fucking lottery.
5. I live by the teachings that my teachers taught me. He was NEVER one of my teachers. All he "taught" was Starhawk...gee...I was able to read AND understand that book all by myself. Didn't need some moron to walk me through it line by line.
6. This man has a MUCH more extensive rap sheet than what I posted. The cops ran him through NCIC and said there were "other open charges", but they could not or would not tell us what they were.

Where in the FUCKING hell do you get off calling me a warlock? You make offensive remarks toward southern mentality (I am far from stupid Asshat- my degrees from BOTH Loyola University and Tulane University prove that this southern mind is quite sharp.), accuse us of being sheep (among other things, at that point I skimmed the drivel you wrote) and then you sign off with Peace and Prosperity?! What.The.Fuck?

And since this effected you personally in no way, shape or form Brother Moloch, yet my post obviously made your blood boil, maybe it's YOU that needs to get a life!

Ciao.

wubba1 wrote:
May. 28th, 2005 03:41 pm (local)
Re: Get a life
I am Phillip's brother and I live in Georgia. Where do I begin? There is a lot I could tell you about Phil. First of all, I love him very much. He has done alot of bad in his past but I've always forgiven him. He is a good person deep down. Very talented, charming and charismatic, to say the least. I was very shocked to find out all of this within a 24 hr. time frame. I can't defend him because he has done so many horrible things to alot of people in the past, but I try to remember the good. I don't know where Phillip went wrong. We had a really good childhood with the best parents a person could hope for. I got a letter in the mail from him yesterday saying that he was on his way to Georgia to visit old friends and to take care of an old fine, and that he would stop by on his way back to NOLA. Well, he did not say anything in the letter about being extradited back to Georgia and he more than likely did not count on the personnel at the prison stamping the back of the envelope with O.P.C.S.O. Well, curiosity killed the cat so all I had to do was Google it, as I do, only to discover that it is a web site pertaining to Orleans Parrish Inmate information. Well, one thing led to another to discover that he has been extradited back to Cherokee County in Georgia. I am very sad about this, but I can't feel sorry for him. When a human being burns his bridges behind him, all of them, there's no going back. Yes, I do love him, but I've never forgot the time he came to me and told me that he had just come back from the doctors office and the test results were positive for H.I.V. and could he please borrow $3000.00 so that he could move to San Francisco. Well, I threw myself in the floor, crying because my baby brother, who I love so much, is dying with A.I.D.S. I was so upset that I started hyperventilating. After I calmed down, I took he and my stupid ass down to the bank to hand over to him a cashiers check for $3000.00. So, he loaded up a truck and moved to Beverly. Hills that is...Anyhow, before he left, I asked him why San Fran? He replied "Because they have a large gay community and A.I.D.S. research is so much more advanced out there". Well, I came back with..."That's silly because the CDC is right here in our own back yard". "Oh no, I don't want my family to watch me dye like this" he says, "No one should watch there own dye like this." So, I cry as he and a friend drive off into the sunset headed west. I beg him to please call me as soon as he gets there. I don't hear from him for about two weeks, when one day the phone rings and he is calling from Las Vegas. "Hey brother, can you wire me some money because we've run out? We are in Vegas and we've stayed in some really nice suites and have gambled away most everything else." My reaction to this was "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT???????? HELL NO I WON"T SEND YOU MORE MONEY, ARE YOU CRAZY?" So, he and his friend find some way to make it to Costa Mesa,California. Within a short time, I forgive him and end up flying out to see him for Thanksgiving. When he picks me up at LAX, he has put on a considerable amount of weight. "Wow Phil, you look great! What does your doctor say? Are you taking AZT? You look really good. How are you doing?" He replies,"I'm not going to a doctor, I am trying a natural approach to fighting this, and it seems to be working. I'm taking alot of different vitamins." Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!??????? Long story short, after having a great time in sunny southern Cal, he moves back to Georgia and lives a healthy life for quite some time before I finally break down and ask him, "Why did you lie to me about having A.I.D.S.?" He confessed to me that his, at the time boyfriend, had persuaded him to lie to me so that they could get the money to move to Cali. I love my brother but could never forget this horrible thing he had done to me. Once again, there are a great deal of stories I could tell you about his colorful past, but there is not enough time now. Let's just end this all by saying that I honestly believe that good prevails and that karma can be a son-of-a-bitch. Nevertheless, it is fair!
(Anonymous) wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2007 08:58 pm (local)
Re: Get a life
"This appears to me to be nothing more than jealousy and basic stupid southern mentality" It's funny you should say that because your post struck me as a conman trying to cover his own ass in case his cash cow decides to kick him in the teeth. And as to the stupid southern mentality jab...LOL we've been called worse by better and we still survive. If you are too ego struck to hate us instead of realizing we are children of the Goddess too... well that really just says it all about you doesn't it?
ncalrod wrote:
May. 25th, 2005 03:06 am (local)
He hit the northern Virginia pagan community as well. He came in and did alot of damage to the local community. When people started catching on to him he pulled up his stakes and ran for New Orleans. I'm glad to see his karma finally come around to bite him in the ass.
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nmdrkangl wrote:
May. 26th, 2005 09:22 am (local)
About time!
Like ncalrod(sp? - sorry not looking at it) said this sad waste of hydrocarbons hit the Northern VA area a few years back. Luckily I don't think we were hit quite so hard. Though his main focus at the time was a "Web School" and "Newsletter" he had running on yahoo groups. most if not all of the content lifted from other sources without credit.

anyway, like i said, about time... just wish they could keep him under lock and key for a while.
wubba1 wrote:
May. 28th, 2005 03:46 pm (local)
Phil is my brother!!!
I am Phillip's brother and I live in Georgia. Where do I begin? There is a lot I could tell you about Phil. First of all, I love him very much. He has done alot of bad in his past but I've always forgiven him. He is a good person deep down. Very talented, charming and charismatic, to say the least. I was very shocked to find out all of this within a 24 hr. time frame. I can't defend him because he has done so many horrible things to alot of people in the past, but I try to remember the good. I don't know where Phillip went wrong. We had a really good childhood with the best parents a person could hope for. I got a letter in the mail from him yesterday saying that he was on his way to Georgia to visit old friends and to take care of an old fine, and that he would stop by on his way back to NOLA. Well, he did not say anything in the letter about being extradited back to Georgia and he more than likely did not count on the personnel at the prison stamping the back of the envelope with O.P.C.S.O. Well, curiosity killed the cat so all I had to do was Google it, as I do, only to discover that it is a web site pertaining to Orleans Parrish Inmate information. Well, one thing led to another to discover that he has been extradited back to Cherokee County in Georgia. I am very sad about this, but I can't feel sorry for him. When a human being burns his bridges behind him, all of them, there's no going back. Yes, I do love him, but I've never forgot the time he came to me and told me that he had just come back from the doctors office and the test results were positive for H.I.V. and could he please borrow $3000.00 so that he could move to San Francisco. Well, I threw myself in the floor, crying because my baby brother, who I love so much, is dying with A.I.D.S. I was so upset that I started hyperventilating. After I calmed down, I took he and my stupid ass down to the bank to hand over to him a cashiers check for $3000.00. So, he loaded up a truck and moved to Beverly. Hills that is...Anyhow, before he left, I asked him why San Fran? He replied "Because they have a large gay community and A.I.D.S. research is so much more advanced out there". Well, I came back with..."That's silly because the CDC is right here in our own back yard". "Oh no, I don't want my family to watch me dye like this" he says, "No one should watch there own dye like this." So, I cry as he and a friend drive off into the sunset headed west. I beg him to please call me as soon as he gets there. I don't hear from him for about two weeks, when one day the phone rings and he is calling from Las Vegas. "Hey brother, can you wire me some money because we've run out? We are in Vegas and we've stayed in some really nice suites and have gambled away most everything else." My reaction to this was "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT???????? HELL NO I WON"T SEND YOU MORE MONEY, ARE YOU CRAZY?" So, he and his friend find some way to make it to Costa Mesa,California. Within a short time, I forgive him and end up flying out to see him for Thanksgiving. When he picks me up at LAX, he has put on a considerable amount of weight. "Wow Phil, you look great! What does your doctor say? Are you taking AZT? You look really good. How are you doing?" He replies,"I'm not going to a doctor, I am trying a natural approach to fighting this, and it seems to be working. I'm taking alot of different vitamins." Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!??????? Long story short, after having a great time in sunny southern Cal, he moves back to Georgia and lives a healthy life for quite some time before I finally break down and ask him, "Why did you lie to me about having A.I.D.S.?" He confessed to me that his, at the time boyfriend, had persuaded him to lie to me so that they could get the money to move to Cali. I love my brother but could never forget this horrible thing he had done to me. Once again, there are a great deal of stories I could tell you about his colorful past, but there is not enough time now. Let's just end this all by saying that I honestly believe that good prevails and that karma can be a son-of-a-bitch. Nevertheless, it is fair!
divawitch999 wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2005 09:08 am (local)
Phillip....I have background information
Hello,

I am one of Phil's former friends (and was his roommate twice 1991 and latter part of 1996 & early 97) and I can say that I am not surprised by what has happened. This is a pattern with him since I met him back in 91. He usually comes into someone's life like a locust, uses everything he can get his hands on, and then leaves when has done the most damage. I was completely played for a sucker letting him into my life.

As far as his Wiccan credentials, I can safely tell you all that he made all of it up. I was involved with the Circle of The Lance and Grail for several years and Phil (while he lived with me) had taken and used all of the information that I had to try and teach with while using his false lineage. He has none. Everything he "learned" came from one part of the teachings used by the Druidic Craft of the Wise (that he took from my books during my year and a day as a neophyte), and used parts of personal book of shadows as his own as well. When my own High Priest confronted him about him stealing my workbooks and teaching guides, we contacted the police. They ran a background check on him and he was arrested then and there for a SECOND time since he had stolen $2500 from a Pearl Vision Center he had been managing (it was their nightly deposit.) He used the majority of that money to move out here (unbeknownst to me until after the fact). He also had a prior prison stay for breaking and entering and grand theft for when he broke into a dress shop and stole wigs and dresses. He used to be a drag queen...and was stealing it for someone else at the time (a pageant queen who show ponied herself around the area for minimal bar pageants and rhinestone crowns). So, this new incident does not surprise me in the slightest.

Phil was a very gifted conman. He convinced me to trust him, even love him like family, and then he quickly and abruptly cast me aside once he had done all the damage he could do. All in the name of self gratification. I had no idea where he felt like the world owed him something so badly that he had to steal for the thrill of it all. Someone that was supposedly so "enlightened" would have taught differently. For all his drug addicted, sexually obsessed, self indulgent nonsense that he stirred so badly...I really do consider myself lucky that nothing worse had come from that period. He is where he needs to be - behind bars.

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